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"How about ministers committing to a set (collective) number of flights per year? How about taxing companies who won't match M&S zero carbon initiative? What about the Global Cool people giving £19 of the £20 to carbon reduction, instead of more publicity and programmes? What a better example it might set for them to walk the walk, rather than talk the talk."

I couldn't agree more - for me it comes down to the same old "cash vs. awareness raising" argument. I'm slightly concerned that some of the newer initiatives we're seeing sometimes offer a way of feeling like you're contributing to society but don't actually result in any impact on the ground. That's a big generalisation I know, I'm just getting a bit tired of people patting each other on the back when they could actually be doing a lot more.

Thanks Sam. I'm not pretending it's easy. For example, what's best for my organisation/our wider social mission? Me to spend two days getting to Belfast (or Edinburgh) and back on train/ferry more expensively, or to fly and save a day and money? Ok, so we've got carbon offsetting in our travel budget, and have a Green Mark from the London Environment Centre (http://www.green-mark.co.uk/), and campaigned for our building to get big new recycle everything bins etc...but is that enough?

I just think, like you, that awareness raising is probably the least effective place to put money at the moment...

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